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SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 21st, 2015, 3:40 pm
by AvelinaVee
Hello. I would like to check out this build since I find it interesting

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simu ... lb72gaf71/ :ho:

I find the Doppelsoeldner class interesting. Its like a Berserker class but I find the lack of survivability meeeh. :hmm:
(I know Swordies are tough but Im having doubts and Doppersoeldner are risk takers)
I can still move some skills like Punish to Cyclone since I dont have a AOE skill (Doppel C1)
and make Pain Barrier to 5/5 (Cuz I only need Bash to knockdown enemies)

I tried doing a Sword2,Barb3,Doppel1 but I find it risky since it has no defensive skill
(Unless you want to waste tons of pots and Deeds of Valor would be a waste if you dont take a hit) :heh:

I still has many questions about this build since hell I cant even play the CBT(not gonna rant how I missed my opportunity to play XD)
and I pass time by experimenting with the skill simulator (Sue me Im bored and I dont have any games that Im focusing atm)

So question. (PS. It has stupid ones beware!) (PPS. Might be all of them)

#1. Is Stabbing worth? That skills where you stand and stab stuff in front of you.
#2. You do need a shield as a sub weapon to actually "block" attacks?
#3. Deeds of Valor. Does "block" and "dodge" procs the stack or not?
#4. Can someone Synchro Trusting counter bonus and if its worth getting or maxing out
#5. If ever I drop the Cyclone idea and switch to Mordschlag does it need to be a sword to activate the skill?
#6. Ratio for Str,Con,Dex if you can compute it (Since Im using Finestra I guess a crit build will do). and does adding small SPR just for the sake of spamming worth?
#7.


That all for. Any feedback would be appreciated :kis:

Re: SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 21st, 2015, 5:52 pm
by Soushii
#1 Yes it is. But it's a channeling skill. Which means getting hit by knock back, stuns, freeze can cancel the skill. And you need to keep pressing the Skill for a bit (until it finishes it's attack duration). But damage wise, it's pretty decent especially when most of your hits do crits.

#2 I'm not sure about this but Ithink you can only wear shield if you went Peltasta. And I think you need to hold down "C" button to block more effectively. Which means you won't be able to attack. And even without wearing a shield you can still block attacks but on a low chance.

#3 I'm not sure about this too but the skill says "when taking damage", so I guess this means you need to take damage for it to proc. And I don't think blocking damage would count at taking damage.

#4 Honestly speaking I don't think it's worth maxing out. Especially if you're going to put points on stabbing and pierce (which in my opinion are OP skills).

#5

#6 Depends on your play style to be honest. If you're planning on going full damager (considering that you went swordie c2) Then I guess you can go full STR or put some con then add some level 5 green gems would help a lot with your crit rate so you don't need to put any dex. But you'll be really squishy. Well adding more con wouldn't really help that much since it only boosts your hp and not your def. Going full dex for dodge wouldn't really help. Especially with magic type monster. Since magic doesn't miss. So the ideal stat would be high str and some con (depends on you really). You'll be using more normal attack than skills so I don't think you really need any SPR. I don't run out of mana, but I still bring some blue potions just to be sure.

Re: SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 22nd, 2015, 1:38 am
by AvelinaVee
Soushii wrote:#1 Yes it is. But it's a channeling skill. Which means getting hit by knock back, stuns, freeze can cancel the skill. And you need to keep pressing the Skill for a bit (until it finishes it's attack duration). But damage wise, it's pretty decent especially when most of your hits do crits.

#2 I'm not sure about this but Ithink you can only wear shield if you went Peltasta. And I think you need to hold down "C" button to block more effectively. Which means you won't be able to attack. And even without wearing a shield you can still block attacks but on a low chance.

#3 I'm not sure about this too but the skill says "when taking damage", so I guess this means you need to take damage for it to proc. And I don't think blocking damage would count at taking damage.

#4 Honestly speaking I don't think it's worth maxing out. Especially if you're going to put points on stabbing and pierce (which in my opinion are OP skills).

#5

#6 Depends on your play style to be honest. If you're planning on going full damager (considering that you went swordie c2) Then I guess you can go full STR or put some con then add some level 5 green gems would help a lot with your crit rate so you don't need to put any dex. But you'll be really squishy. Well adding more con wouldn't really help that much since it only boosts your hp and not your def. Going full dex for dodge wouldn't really help. Especially with magic type monster. Since magic doesn't miss. So the ideal stat would be high str and some con (depends on you really). You'll be using more normal attack than skills so I don't think you really need any SPR. I don't run out of mana, but I still bring some blue potions just to be sure.
Thanks Soushii, Much appreciated :thx:

Anyways I will go for Stabbing now and remove Throwing Spear and Long Stride just to get that 5/5 Stabbing.

I think they would also put block command on hoplite too since it also uses a shield but we'll see. Would be funny if they didn't

I did consider going Peltasta but it's more on a team player type of character and I would go for it if I have a consistent party member (Since I dun have playmates yet who are willing) :heh:

And about the Stat thingy. Might go Str3,Con1,Dex1 I guess con and dex just for utility and I hope im not wasting too much stat points XD (Actually gonna use this too im Im going Swordie2,Barb3,Doppel1 since its a decent stat allocation I think :hmm: )

Anyways again thanks for the reply :no1:

Re: SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 22nd, 2015, 9:43 am
by Soushii
No problem. But I'm no Dopel so I really can't help. I went Swordie - Pelta - Hop c2 - Corsair. Now I'm using a dagger instead of a shield. So the only skill I'm using from Pelta, is swash buckling. I was hoping for hop c3 - dopel but I don't think I'll be able to reach that far right now. So I just tried another path. My stats are 200 str, 35 con, 50 dex. My damage is around 400-500. And my hp is around 12k. Added some dex for crit rate. Right now my crit rate is 220 (with finestra). The other crit rate stats came from my dex stat and 2 level 5 green gems on my weapon (around 50-60 crit rate). I'm doing around 90% crit chance. By the way, I'm actually soloing. I'm only having problems with magic monsters. They deal a huge amount of damage. But other than that is a piece of cake. Same goes for the bosses. As long as you can get away from they AOE skills. You'll be doing fine.

Re: SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 22nd, 2015, 10:53 am
by AvelinaVee
Being able to talk to you is already a big help really.
I did plan Swordie - Pelta - HopC2 - CorC2 using DaggerSpear becuase Finestra's skill attribue Splash would give you Range attack rate increases by 3 while [Finestra] is activated. I dunno if it only applies to the main weapon so kindly check when you reach CorC2 for me pls if ever :heh: Cuz that range advantage is already a big help when kiting monster.

Though I saw a Swordie - Pelta - HopC3 - Doppel guide that almost hit what I want to do (Sad is I cant test it and Im currently subscribed to his/her YT channel just to see the potential)

But anyways pls update me with your progress (If that's fine with you) and again thanks :no1:

Re: SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 22nd, 2015, 3:38 pm
by Soushii
Already a Cor c1. I don't really use the dagger on my offhand. Since I need to be really close to the target to hit it compared to using a spear. And the damage of dagger is lower than the spear (like 100-200 damage I think).

By the way, I was watching some videos about Cor awhile ago and saw the Cor of Steparu. He can do triple attack. Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJMjV8kK7PE

But the path is Sword 2 - Barb 2 (I think) - and Cor 2. He's owning the bosses really fast in below 30 seconds.

Re: SwordC2/HopliteC3/DoppelC1 Test

Posted: November 23rd, 2015, 12:33 am
by AvelinaVee
Already saw that. The DPS is nice but I think its lacking since you only use buff type of skills and you need to recast them every minute or two. And if youre in a party it will mess up your buffs since it has a certain limit (Well Daino scrolls could solve that)
He did go Sword2 > Barb2 > Cor2 since he has Frenzy. But like he/she said if you want a DPS type going Monkc2 would be nice (yet hard).
Update me if youre a Cor2 pls. I'll ask some question :no1: